—by Prof. Trace Rhodes & Dr. A.D. Hawke
Editor’s Note: The following was very kindly written at the behest of the Orange Monk. Apparently, TR and ADH (who are married) nearly came to blows over certain details whilst compiling this article, but to read it you’d never know it: it’s a concise overview of a normally very obfuscated legend. The words and pictures that follow were supplied by Rhodes and Hawke (together known as “The Scavengers,” and part of the elite Brotherhood of the Orange Monk); any typos or copyright infringement is entirely theirs; any formatting errors are entirely my fault. —O.M.
- Plato was a pompous philosopher, who ripped-off his teacher Socrates in order to take advantage of the attractive “minds” of young boys around 360 BCE in Athens.
- Timaeus and Critias were Plato’s class notes.
- Plato created way too much backstory here to explain where the Atlantic Ocean got its name. Atlantis = Atlas’s Island = Ἀτλαντὶς νῆσος = Atlas was the first king of the isle.
- Nope, most ancients knew better.
- Forget the Atlantis-es of Disney and Startgate, it was bigger than Lybia and Asia combined! It was 3,000 stadia (345 miles) by 2,000 stadia (230 miles).
- Atlantis was Poseidon’s for keeps. He had a litter of five male twins with the mortal Cleito and let the boys rule it. The first born, Atlas ran the show, and the ocean, people and the place were named after him. Atlanteans loved Poseidon so much that horses had their own racecourses, training grounds, gardens and even bathhouses (Poseidon’s favorite animal? Horsies. His favorite color? Blue).
- Since the Greeks were too scared to sail past the Pillars of Hercules, the Straights of Gibraltar today, why not make up fantastic civilizations and sea monsters!
- Plato blames Solon, who blames the Egyptians for the dating.
- The Greeks loved trees, meat and shiny things. Atlantis had all these and more, innumerable forests of pine, delicious elephants and even their own imaginary precious metal orichalcum! Temples were entirely coated in gold, silver or orichalcum yet everyone was still humble! That’s amazing Plato! What? Sure, I’ll sleep with you…
- The Greeks loved labyrinths like candy. Plato made Atlantis sound more like a concentric matrix of harbors and channels than any land mass. They had so many boats that sleeping was impossible due to the noise.
- It was advanced but flawed. Everything was cooler and better there, but Plato hates hereditary kingships (Atlantis) and *hearts* philosopher oligarchies (Athens…maybe).
- The empire included Italy and North Africa and tons of delicious slaves.
- See, [19]
- Why? Ask sleepy-pants Plato, who probably fell asleep during another boring Socrates lecture since the Critias ends right before Zeus took out Atlantis.
- Like a thousand year long telephone game, the Greeks probably turned the destruction of Santorini into that of Atlantis. Around 1,500 BCE (Dr. Hawke and Prof. Rhodes have differing opinions on the actual date of the Santorini destruction), a volcano on the island Santorini destroyed the great Minoan Bronze Age settlement of Akrotiri and sunk most of the island. The 400-year Dark Age that followed didn’t help keep the myths straight.
- Francis Bacon: philosopher, scientist and crispy breakfast side dish, copied Plato/Socrates to create his book, The New Atlantis. This Baconian wet dream was the perfect island. It housed a cloistered hive of elite scientists, who blew state funds to research things like invisible rocks and various sports drinks.
- Serious scholars, politicians and psychic mentalists have embellished Atlantis. Maybe the Atlanteans had gunpowder, compasses, eugenic perfection, flying crystal-powered ships, long before the Egyptians could write.
- See, [13]
- 19th Century Mesoamerican scholars thought it was Mayan or Aztec; psychic Edgar Cayce channeled that it was around the Bahamas; Nazis looked for Aryan Atlanteans in Tibet and the North Pole. While anywhere from the Black Sea, Ireland, Sweden, Cuba, Bermuda, the Indian Ocean and Antarctica is still up for grabs.
- Dear future generations, best of luck. Here are some sources:
Bacon, Francis. The New Atlantis. 1626: http://oregonstate.edu/instruct/phl302/texts/bacon/atlantis.html
Cayce, Edgar Evans. Edgar Cayce’s Atlantis. Paperback Library. 1968.
Ebehard, Zangger. The Flood from Heaven: Deciphering the Atlantis Legend. William Morrow & Company: 1992.
Erlingsson, U. The Atlantis Blueprint: Unlocking the Ancient Mysteries of a Long-Lost Civilization. Delacorte Press. 2001.
Philips, ED. ‘Historical Elements in the Myth of Atlantis’. Euphrosyne, vol. 2. 3-38. 1968.
Plato. Platonis Opera, ed. John Burnet. Oxford University Press. 1903.
Plato. Plato in Twelve Volumes, Vol. 9 translated by W.R.M. Lamb. Cambridge, MA, Harvard University Press; London, William Heinemann Ltd. 1925.
Perseus 4.0 — http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0179%3Atext%3DCriti.%3Asection%3D118b
Editor’s Note: If anyone is interested in pursuing this topic further, and would like access to Plato in Twelve Volumes, Vol. 9 (trans. WRM Lamb), let me know. For some reason, I am in possession of the electronic text. Thank you, Dr. Hawke… I think. —O.M.
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Just saw this….
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/archaeology/news/bettany-hughes-brings-atlantis-to-the-surface-in-style-1990413.html
Damned unoriginal British copying everything!
Did you watch this? It sounds good. When does it come to Netflix?
Also re: Sir Francis Bacon–
Oak Island, off the coast of Nova Scotia:
the most bizarre theory is that the treasure is the original works of William Shakespeare/ Sir Francis Bacon buried on the site in the late 16th century. This theory is based on the evidence of a piece of parchment paper brought up from the pit by one of the treasure hunters.
For more, see: http://www.mysteriesofcanada.com/Nova_Scotia/oakisland.htm
and other sites.
At The Francis Bacon Library in Claremont CA, now defunct, we had several visitors deeply interested in this subject. I kept my opinions of them to myself.
Wow! How have I not heard of this treasure pit?! How fascinating. Even the “now-defunct” Francis Bacon Library sounds like something out of an Indiana Jones story. Thanks for leaving this comment and link! You’ve given my imagination a new place to wander…
Number 7 is a most heinous error(possible omission? since the flippant tone is quite odd and leads me to question what the writers’ true intentions are) Britain was a huge source of tin, and this was a major element necessary for the bronze armor/swords that created and defended western civilization. We would all be speaking some dialect of Persian, if tin wasn’t traded for from the Prettani people who the greeks conveniently named Brettani(origins of Britain, for the thick) There are far too many gross assumptions/presumptions to address, and the flippancy which these people address history is very odd.
I’m wondering what professorship TR holds as well as hawke’s doctorate? there are people who don’t study history/classics and can read this and take this as truth from an authority, and this is extremely irresponsible and the very definition of pompous.
Thank you for your comment and the footnote regarding tin, Spyro, as well as your explanation of the origins of the word ‘Britain.’ But when it comes to being thick, I have to suggest that you may have some completely misguided notions about the nature of this blog. Here at AOM, the tongue remains planted fairly firmly in cheek. Did you read other entries here besides the Atlantis one? Did you notice the dedication to fiction that has only the most tangential relationship with factual reality? Did you notice the campy, pulpy graphics and logos? Did you pause, before composing your rant, to wonder just what the heck was an ‘Orange Monk,’ anyway? Based on your self-righteous indignation, I must assume the answer to those questions is “no,” or that if it is “yes” you were simply hell-bent on showcasing your education in that most annoying of ways: by picking a fight where there isn’t one to be picked.
If you’re actually interested in an explanation for this “irresponsible” article on Atlantis (and what, pray tell, is one’s responsibility, and to whom, when writing an article about what is most likely a fictitious place?), I’ll let you know that I claim full responsibility for the glib tone of the article. TR and Hawke are aliases for college friends of mine who were classics/antiquities majors, and therefore had a firmer grasp on some of the glancing intersections between the legend of Atlantis and ancient history. I bestowed on them their professorship and doctorate. In doing so, I made them into fictitious characters, meant to resemble the bombastic, thrill-seeking intellectuals of golden-age adventure yarns (“Dr. Jones, I presume?”). They asked me what I wanted in an article, and I told them I didn’t want anything too serious. “Feel free to cut loose. Just give some kind of frame work to those of us who might only be familiar with Atlantis from the animated movie version, but don’t get too heady.” I’m afraid it seems they accomplished that perfectly, much to your chagrin.
I was going to reject the label of “pompous,” as well, but since you said it was “the very definition,” I decided to look it up, just to be safe. And actually, to the extent that you mean the definition, “exaggeratedly or ostentatiously dignified or self-important,” I suppose you’re right. I believe it was TR and Hawke’s intention to so exaggerate their tone of scholarly self-importance that everyone would be in on the joke. Everyone, that is, except for you. I’m sorry that we have so deeply offended your considerably more sober sensibilities, but perhaps The Adventures of the Orange Monk is not the ideal blog for you…
I would like to read some of that text from Plato. Thank you,
Really? Wow! You’re possibly one of the bravest of adventurers to visit this blog. Very well: be watching your email, it’s coming your way!